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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16?
Date: 25 Aug 2006 01:03:56 -0700
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : Igor Sobrado <[e-mail]> wrote:
> :>
> :> By the way, you can find the final release at:
> :>
> :>  http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003)
> :
> : It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release.  For example:
> : how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14?  Filenames are not the same
> : (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced
> : (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE).  In the case of 3.16,
> : there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single
> : binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file.  Should we rename these files?
> : What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)?
> :
> This is explained in MSR314.ANN:
>
> KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14.
> KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics.
> KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications)
> (the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol
> on the BBS end of the connection).
>
> MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less.
> I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16.
>
> : It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix
> : of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files.
> :
> It has been a long time since I looked at any of this.  3.14 was the last
> integrated release.  We didn't have time to do all the updating of
> documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to
> the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones
> without destroying anything.  Then we did the same thing again with 3.16.
>
> Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD,
> DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job.  Not to mention the binaries for
> non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100,
> etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know).
>
> I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta.  Either I completely
> forgot, or somehow I never knew.  I'll check with Joe.
>
> If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file,
> following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to
> keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the
> archive here.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP
> file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette.  I think there were only a
> couple bytes to spare!  It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and
> no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it
> from there.  That would also be a goal for any new release.
>
> - Frank
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   As Frank noted, please visit
   netlab1.usu.edu   or  netlab1.oucs.ox.ac.uk   (same IP number for
both)
If connecting via FTP then  cd kermit.
If using a web browser then "Complete File Archives" and then "kermit."
  Sources and binaries are there. There are only minor differences
between the beta and final release of MSK 3.16.
  The top level directory listing is
    MSK315.ZIP       18-Sep-1997 04:07     480K
    MSK316.CHG    13-Oct-2003 09:08     6.7K
    MSK316.ZIP       13-Oct-2003 09:11        1.0M
    MSK31610.ZIP     04-Mar-2003 00:13     826K
    MSVIBM.TEK       03-Mar-1991 06:23        35K
    MSVIBM.VT         10-Mar-1998 03:52          73K
[DIR]    SOURCE/    20-Sep-2004 11:49

where we see that the binary distribution zip file fits onto a floppy.
   For many years there has been no demand to embellish MSK, thus it
remains at the 3.16 level.
   Appologies for not plunging into the conversation earlier, but
Usenet feeds were terminated at my previous establishment and I had not
picked up a new feed at my present place. Thanks to Frank for alerting
me to the current discussion.
Joe D. (in Oxford)
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